As An Artist

topic posted Fri, December 14, 2007 - 8:36 PM by  tolteclogic
Thought I'd bring this discussion over from another tribe - Art//Life.
Thanks to AllanO.


As An Artist, Where Are You On The Scale Of Self-actualization?
topic posted Fri, November 23, 2007 - 6:58 AM by AllanO'

"Psychologist Abraham Maslow has written, 'A musician must make music, an artist must paint, a poet must write--if he is to be ultimately at peace with himself. What one can be, one must be.' The question for many would-be creators is simply how to get to "must.

Maslow spent a lifetime researching mental health and human potential. He emphasized the study of healthy minds and successful systems rather than the abnormal and the ill. He was particularly interested in the hierarchy of needs, meta-needs, self-actualizing persons, purposeful play, and peak experiences. Leader of the humanistic school of psychology, he
referred to his ideas as a "third force"--beyond Freudian theory and behaviourism.

Maslow saw human beings' needs arranged like a ladder. The most basic needs, at the bottom, were physical--air, water, food, etc. Then came safety needs--security, stability, comfort. Then psychological or social needs--belonging, love, acceptance. At
the top were the self-actualizing needs--the need to fulfill oneself, to become all that one is capable of becoming. Maslow felt that unfulfilled needs lower on the ladder inhibited a person from climbing to the next step. For example, someone dying of thirst is not likely to write or paint. People who managed the higher needs are what he called self-actualizing people. These folks, he found, are able to focus on problems outside themselves, have a clear sense of what is true and what is phony, and are spontaneous, creative, and not bound too strictly by social conventions.

Here are a few of Maslow's ideas for artists wishing to further evolve:

Systematically study, understand and neutralize the effects of lower needs. Accept the world in all of its complexity, mystery and ambiguity. Take cues from the winners in this world, not the losers. Keep the company of the doers, not the talkers. Play your personal game on as many levels as you're able. Fall in love with your processes, innovations, dreams and higher ideals. Be sensitive to and welcome the arrival of peak experiences. Have no guilt when you see yourself becoming compulsive and proactive. Allow yourself to be swept up in your personal "must."

PS: "Where was the human potential lost? How was it crippled? A good question might be not why do people create, but why do people not create?" (Abraham Maslow, 1908-1970)

Esoterica: Peak experiences are profound moments of love, understanding, happiness or rapture, when a person feels more whole, alive, self-sufficient and yet a part of the world--more aware of truth, justice, harmony and goodness. Maslow found self-actualizing people have many such peak experiences. Acts of art can be structured so an individual sets himself up for a series of them. He feels good, becomes habituated and demands their repetition. Maslow was not a snob about his conclusions. "A first-rate soup," he said, "is more creative than a second-rate painting."

~From Robert Genn bi-weekly newsletter
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tolteclogic
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  • Re: As An Artist

    Sun, December 16, 2007 - 10:45 PM

    I'm sure I'm pretty high on the scale. I know I have to create to live, and I have explored my subcontious mind for about 7 years, and I felt that was enough. It actually took a lot out of me in other areas, it was an obsession.
    • Re: As An Artist

      Tue, December 18, 2007 - 9:27 AM
      I am reminded of that passage near the end of
      Thoreau's 'Walden' where he says something
      to the effect that if we hold to our dreams
      with single minded determination we will meet
      with success in uncommon hours.

      Or better still, "I wanted to live deep and suck out all the
      mmarrow of life... to drive life into a corner, and reduce it to
      lowest terms, and, if it proved to be mean, why then to get
      the whole and genuine meanness of it, and publish its
      meanness to the world; or if it were sublime, to know it by
      experience, and be able to give a true account of it in my
      next excursion."

      Henry David Thoreau


      Like the sections of bamboo
      to all things that come into being
      within the fulless of time
      there is a time and a season for
      endings and beginnings -
      where most peope get into trouble
      is in clinging to the past - either
      unable to release and let go
      into the present moment
      or holding on to old regulations
      beyond the point of usefulness
      once you awaken you enter from
      striving into nonstriving spontaniety,
      but the work doesn't stop there
      it is yet a new beginning
      where hidden practice becomes
      the key to survival - others are
      not likely to share your new
      found enthusiam for change
      nor embrace the notion
      of reasonable happiness
      that anyone could be free
      of the conditioned past

      - and thus -

      we are held accountable
      upon the continuity of
      our common mundanity

      • Re: As An Artist

        Sun, February 3, 2008 - 5:38 PM

        "People may sit until the cushion is worn through,
        But never quite know the real Truth;
        Let me tell you about the ultimate Tao:
        It is here, enshrined within us."

        "To attain Tao,
        It is not necessaryto go to the mountains.
        Stay right here. In the red dust, riding a golden horse -
        There is a great practioner of Tao.
        Thus it is said
        The mountains only provide quietude."

        Lu Tung-Pin
        • enlightened artists

          Fri, February 15, 2008 - 11:59 AM
          Some of my brain dribbles on the subject::

          Art seems to be a byproduct of the flow of divine creative compassion breathing through a human container, what else can one do but to express the grand wonder that stirs within this spirit/molecular dance. But art like ego though necessary for physical incarnation can inadvertently demand leadership of the soul thus disconnecting the peaceful observer, and spiraling oneself into cascading states of dualistic interactions, that rob vital essence.

          Thus art lets me know I am divinely breathing, but too attached to that breath is to suffocate, and thus one keeps breathing in new beauty never remembering the last piece (breath) as one is totally present with the now.
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  • Re: As An Artist

    Wed, February 6, 2008 - 4:04 AM
    it is nice to hear things like this, i feel selfish a lot of the time, when meeting my creative needs, this helps me to better understand my place, and how to maintain & grow
    • Lineless Signs

      Sun, February 10, 2008 - 10:35 AM
      Being creative following our dreams
      realizing one's true nature
      and purpose in life...

      Working the firing process
      the five elements
      constitute the five virtues
      the path of following nature
      practicing the teachings of the Tao
      has a natural course in essence
      does not require forced effort

      within the appropriate proportion
      humanity, courtesy, truthfulness,
      knowledge and justice
      preserving universal harmony intact
      administering the way
      assisting in its balance
      the mutual generation of one energy
      overcoming the five elements
      preserving the primordial complete
      dissolving acquired conditioning
      it will not do to cling to one virtue
      at the expense of the others

      "The crossing of great rivers is that whereby inner
      nurturance and outer effectiveness is accomplished."

      Taoist I Ching

      What does it mean to accomplish the will of God
      and achieve good works in the world?


      "Distinquish midnight and noon within unmarked time,
      determine Heaven and Earth in lineless signs."

      "You should know that you may need a raft to cross a
      river, but you do not need a boat when you get to the
      other shore; when you have caught the fish forget the
      net, when you have caught the rabit, forget the trap."

      "I say the those born knowing realize on their own
      without seeking, hit the mark without trying - they
      do not need inductive teachings, so the hightest type
      of spirtual alchemy does not use signs or lines."

      Li Daoqun


      "Spirit is essence, energy is life; when spirit does
      not run outside, energy is naturally stable."

      "Unify your energy and make it flexible, and the spirit
      will be permanently stabilized."

      "This is not done in a day and a night. This is our original
      reality, not a technique."

      Liu Cao
      • Re: Lineless Signs

        Wed, February 13, 2008 - 11:28 AM
        Speaking as an artist i realize that
        the metaphors of conscious reality
        and the unfolding of the innerself
        this journey of self remembering
        begins where it must end...
        stopping the inner dialogue
        to hearld the coming good
        our inner most creative process
        • Re: Lineless Signs

          Fri, February 15, 2008 - 5:38 AM
          here in lies the rub...
          Maslow in giving birth
          to transpersonal psychology
          is the precursor to what is known
          as the emerging field of Sacred Psycology
          that is cosmic consciousness revisited
          Maslow was an avowed atheist
          according to Frankl:

          "Self-actualization is not man's ultimate destination. It is not
          his primary intention. Self-actualizatioin, if made an end in itself,
          contradicts the self-transcendent quality of human existence.
          Like happiness, self-actualization is an effect, the effect of meaning
          fulfillment. Only to the extent to which man fulfills a meaning out
          there in the world, does he fulfill himself. If he sets out to actualize
          himself rather than fulfill a meaning, self-actualization immediately
          loses its justification."

          Change and renewal
          returning to the origin
          getting back to
          the fundamental
          refining the self
          biding the time
          empting the mind
          process of illumination
          self-transformation
          temperment will vanish
          when true nature appears
          true fire of the original spirit
          burns away arbitrary feelings
          true sense will appear
          unity of nature and sense
          • Re: Lineless Signs

            Tue, February 19, 2008 - 5:41 AM
            it is interesting the flow
            this state of being
            said to be neither form
            nor void the unspoken bliss
            of complete understanding
            without words...

            It is said that in the stilling of yang
            those who have not yet died
            must first learn to die...
            responding to others with openness
            false yin retreats - deeping develpment
            true yang remains strength used with
            clarity preserving yang by yin
            nurturing true yang repelling
            false yin - stopping false yang
            submitting to true yin
            inconspiculous within the ordinary
            world openness is consummated
            staying in the appropriate place
            tranquility remains pure
            cultivating advance practice
            like the sky covering everything
            with no image of self or others
            being like others in a wilderness
            crossing great rivers seeing afar
            by means of illumination inwardly
            not losing oneself outwardly not
            hurting others strength and
            illumination acting together
            firmness and flexibility
            in balance and harmony
            the advance ment of yang
            that is aimed at fidelity to
            truth...
          • Re: Lineless Signs

            Tue, February 19, 2008 - 4:04 PM
            So art serves a twofold purpose, one is that of externalizing inward discovery, the other is to make models that manifest truth with subline symmetry of absolute expression.

            The first is a visual meditation tool

            The second is a signpost for the uninitiated to feel some resonance and be drawn into questing wonder.

            • questing wonder

              Sat, February 23, 2008 - 8:26 AM

              Joined Mountains

              One moutain joins another
              immutably stabilized
              in the right way
              all thoughts rest
              in their proper place
              Responding to all things
              ten thousand mountains are joined
              harmonious and peaceful
              able to refine the self
              and master the mind
              as steady as a mountain
              how many know the One?
              and can think without
              changing places
              always upright
              persistent in the path
              faultless
              from beginning to finish
              complete all task
              by no forced effort
              by this one attainment alone
              both action and stillness
              arise from genuine intent
              rise up like thunder
              as the celestial returns
              concentrate and store
              energy and spirit
              reaching out from within
              restore proper balance
              of firmness and flexibility


              it's hard moving beyond the past
              without stepping into the future



              No Footprints

              mist hangs above hills
              above mist hangs stone face of mountains
              above mountains face hangs a net of sky -
              crack! there are wings and they rip the net!

              and the dance flows on
              everything flows toward the rim of that
              shinning cup

              crossed sticks on earth
              between crossed sticks - pile of ash
              something rises on the wisp of smoke
              dogs feet move by fast

              and the dance flows on
              everything flows toward the rim of that
              shinning cup

              through these channels/words
              i want to touch you
              touch you deep down
              where you live
              not for power but
              because I love you
              so
              love the Lord
              and in Him go your way
              and I'll be right there with you
              leaving
              no foot prints when we go
              no foot prints when we go
              only where we've been, a faint and fading glow...

              Bruce Coakburn


              all this goes well with the thoughts of the day:

              I got my love a bag of rocks
              and she was happy to make
              them into something beautiful
              we live close to the earth
              and give thanks each day
              for the time we share together
              in our brief walk through life
              happiness and joy arise from
              openness and giving trust
              and sacrifice in making this
              home a living against all
              hardships and toil we have
              each other expanding into
              greater tomorrows


              Like people in the home
              vitality spirit soul psychie
              and intent belong to yin
              province of the human mind
              when true yin becomes manifest
              the mind of Tao is spontanious
              harmonious and balanced
              spirit soul psychie vitility intent
              are all transform
              into gradian spirits of truth

              ~*~*~

              all this goes well with the thoughts of the day:

              I got my love a bag of rocks
              and she was happy to make
              them into something beautiful
              we live close to the earth
              and give thanks each day
              for the time we share together
              in our brief walk through life
              happiness and joy arise from
              openness and giving trust
              and sacrifice in making this
              home a living against all
              hardships and toil we have
              each other expanding into
              greater tomorrows


              Like people in the home
              vitality spirit soul psychie
              and intent belong to yin
              province of the human mind
              when true yin becomes manifest
              the mind of Tao is spontanious
              harmonious and balanced
              open awareness unobscured
              spirit soul psychie vitility intent
              become transformed
              into gradian spirits of truth
              joy, anger, sadness, and happiness
              remain counterpoised within
              fair and even proportion
              yin energy does not arise
              within the ~ illumined heart ~
              the mind that dies to itself
              allows the spirit to live
              within reduction there is increase
              moving gradually enduring long
              harmonious and joyous
              true sense in heaven
              like a cat catching a mouse
              the celestial treads
              on top of the mundane
              powerful practice unrelenting


              Where violence and wraft
              self interest and cupidity
              emerges and erupts
              increase awareness...
              within reduction
              there is increase
      • Re: Lineless Signs

        Tue, February 19, 2008 - 3:56 PM
        sweet resonance

        them to tao boys got some going fur them :)
        • Killing the Tiger

          Wed, February 27, 2008 - 5:33 AM

          Like boiling water being poured on snow
          treading strongly with harmony and joy
          true yang is inherent and need not
          be sought from another
          knowing the appropriate priority
          for the advancement of yang
          strinking a balance without obsession
          or indifference aware of perils
          once again to see the origial face
          uninjured by false yin and yang

          where arbitariy feeling arise
          true sense is obscured
          mixing with acquired conditioning
          true yang has runaway away ourside
          not unlike a tiger that once was one's
          running off to live as a member
          of another family in some other house
          few are they who are willing to call it back
          not in heaven or earth or fire or water
          but only by lake the path of receptive submission
          in the place of mother earth are we able bring it back
          transmute yin into yang and restore this to purity
          without excessive ferocity yet being harmonious joyful
          equanimonus and serene preserving life and being whole

          "The path of development and achivement without obstruction
          or hinderence through advancement of yang, treading strongly
          with harmony and joy, is of great benefit."

          I Ching

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